Vice President Joe Biden promises WeAreChange an upcoming crisis
Vice President Joe Biden promises WeAreChange an upcoming crisis
We Are Change
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Saturday 22nd November, 2008
Several days before election day I caught up with Joe Biden and asked him what he meant when he said mark his words Obama’s presidency will bring a “generated crisis”. He told me it would happen regardless of who’s president, he stated he was only repeating what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was saying and there would in fact be an international crisis without a doubt he didn’t even think twice when I asked him.
I also tried to ask him about what Obama meant by stating we have “negative liberties” and the Constitution is “flawed”, he then ignored me. He claims they will have to make some tough decisions due to an international crisis. I wonder if those “tough decisions” will be similar to the “tough decisions” Bush made after 9/11 like passing the Patriot Act, spying on Americans without warrants and engaging in an endless war.
Even Obama stated in his Chicago speech on election night shortly after his victory that he will have “challenges” which will force him to make unfavorable decisions.
It’s time Americans wake up and realize that Trilateral co-founder and associate of Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller: Zbigniew Brzezinski is pulling the strings of this administration and according to numerous publications he’s written the past few decades, we are in for some tough times…
We Are Change
Youtube
Saturday 22nd November, 2008
Several days before election day I caught up with Joe Biden and asked him what he meant when he said mark his words Obama’s presidency will bring a “generated crisis”. He told me it would happen regardless of who’s president, he stated he was only repeating what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was saying and there would in fact be an international crisis without a doubt he didn’t even think twice when I asked him.
I also tried to ask him about what Obama meant by stating we have “negative liberties” and the Constitution is “flawed”, he then ignored me. He claims they will have to make some tough decisions due to an international crisis. I wonder if those “tough decisions” will be similar to the “tough decisions” Bush made after 9/11 like passing the Patriot Act, spying on Americans without warrants and engaging in an endless war.
Even Obama stated in his Chicago speech on election night shortly after his victory that he will have “challenges” which will force him to make unfavorable decisions.
It’s time Americans wake up and realize that Trilateral co-founder and associate of Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller: Zbigniew Brzezinski is pulling the strings of this administration and according to numerous publications he’s written the past few decades, we are in for some tough times…
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Permalink Reply by Xeranar on -
Really? Last time I checked it was the U.S. occupying Iraq etc.
You mean to say they only started to hate us in 2003? Isolationism has yet to work and Britain had the middle east before we ever interfered at all.
Maybe we should establish a common definition of evil?
People who seek to kill other people until the remaining said people agree to live under their totalitarian rule.
The US has had a long history of blowing it but by comparison we're clean next to Al-Queda.
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Permalink Reply by Rant on -
The questions are as important as the answers to me.
They hate the western world because it is not the world they want for themselves. So they are attempting to force themselves upon us through means of hate and terror.
Really? Last time I checked it was the U.S. occupying Iraq etc.
You mean to say they only started to hate us in 2003? Isolationism has yet to work and Britain had the middle east before we ever interfered at all.
It wasn't my intention narrow the topic specifically, not that it matters. I was pointing out that your answer is as true in regards to the US as it is for Iraq.
People who seek to kill other people until the remaining said people agree to live under their totalitarian rule.
This also holds closely with your working definition of evil. It's just that these are questions that need and deserve to be asked. I'm ordinarily a solution oriented person. I don't like to focus on the problem when the solution is at hand. In the case of the middle east I feel like we are in denial. We can't even identify the real problem (much less the solution) because it might possibly mean we are a part of problem.
I hear nasty little phrases like "get your sand off our oil" and I tell myself it's just the idiots that think that way...but it's like we all have a sense of entitlement because we're Americans. Should we?
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Permalink Reply by Rant on
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The US has had a long history of blowing it but by comparison we're clean next to Al-Queda.
Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, If that's clean I don't wanna see dirty.
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Permalink Reply by lowkey on -
It's sad to say but Guantanamo Bay and Bagram are relatively clean solutions.
Historically all any nation would have done is simply execute the prisoners and taken the bad press for a week or two (or just make them "disappear"). So by trying to simply imprison them we've already moved above what most nations or people would do.
We can do better but we shouldn't deny that it is a major improvement already.
As Abu Ghraib that was bored soldiers and a failure to supervise by the officers. Never should have happened and wouldn't have happened with proper leadership and control. It was a hard lesson and a lot of bad press but all of it was well deserved.
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Permalink Reply by Rant on
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Considering the website we're on how could you possibly not know more about Guantanamo Bay. There are pictures, testimonies of both soldiers and prisoners, and entire documentaries exposing the horrors of these places; Suspicious documents and redacted emails that link torture policy to Rumsfeld. Cheney was on the radio and Meet the Press defending the use of torture.
You and X both have used the term "clean" maybe we should establish a working definition for that too.
I've got to leave but I'll find you some links later if you don't believe me.
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Permalink Reply by lowkey on
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I've seen much of that evidence (and some faked stuff) but I still think that we're a step above what would have been done in previous wars and/or by other countries.
Think about it, in the past they never would have gotten out of their local area, probably been tortured for days or weeks and then simply executed and buried in a ditch.
Today, we're discussing what rights they do or don't have. It's a conversation that really hasn't happened before. This is a big step.
We may not be "clean" yet but we are getting "cleaner".
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Permalink Reply by SaucedWon on -
Gen Randall Schmidt, George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Gen. Miller, Jon Yoo, Caroline Wood, Alberto Gonzalos...and many more i cant think of right now. ..all criminals. It is my belief that all these people should be put in Gauntanamo and held indefinitely and then tried for war crimes.
Check out these 3 movies. They are not Alex Jones conspiracy movies, they are just fact.
"Unconstitutional" - a documentary about the Patriot Act
"Taxi to the Dark Side" a documentary about treatment of so called enemy combatants
"The Visitor" - its just a good movie. so watch it.
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Permalink Reply by SaucedWon on
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I find these statements very disturbing.
Even if it was a major improvement, which it is not, that should not be a reason to justify torture. ...and it is torture, regardless of how we have redefined it..enhanced interrogation or whatever you want to call it.
As far as historically executing prisoners i find that to just be incorrect information. I understand there have been some instances of executing prisoners but to say "all any nation would have done..." is misleading. Actually in many cases prisoners have been treated quite well compared to the way we are treating people.
Even if that was true, we shouldn't be using history as a means of justifying how we are currently treating people.
This was NOT a case of bored soldiers and failure to supervise by officers. These were orders to torture that came from the highest levels of government in both Gauntanamo and Abu Ghraib. The "bored soldiers" and bad officers are a scapegoat for the people responsible for this.
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Permalink Reply by Xeranar on
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We crossed the border into Iraq in 1991 I believe, we then retreated. We have not been in Iraq since 2003 except to maintain the no fly zone to protect neighbors of Iraq. Jeff, please, lay off the pot some before you start making claims.
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Permalink Reply by I TOOK THE RED PILL on -
everyone is missing the point of this. they know something. how do they know it? Bush knew of 911 and then after it happens he says he knew nothing of it. this is showing how the are now acting out in the open.
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Permalink Reply by D.J. Coffman on -
I love these threads. It totally makes me want to bust out my tin-foil hat and start yammering about 2012!
Ah, the good ol' days!
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Permalink Reply by I TOOK THE RED PILL on
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why would you go and do something like that?
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