Grassroots Economy??
In the course of human history leaders with power and without the interests of the people in mind have created systems of finance that themselves become tyrannical. When a people come face to face with the shackles that oppress them, they not only have the right, but the moral obligation to usurp said tyranny, for both themselves, those they fight for, and any future posterity.
President Wilson once stated-"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
And this is still the same source of concentrated credit that today feeds our nation, and is our monetary policy. And so today I ask you, when is it enough? The usurpation of rights, of liberties, the destruction of we the people and the formation of a new class of serfs. When is the metaphorical line drawn in the sand? For I say to you, its been long more than I can bear. Take this to heart, and think carefully, for may have to live as you speak…
Lol, sorry, I just kinda started w that and it took away. But, ok, seriously I just wanna get peoples opinions on this, and kinda brain storm too, it got brought up in an earlier discussion about farmers markets and stuff, and me and Hez (and actually there’s a discussion on this too) were talking about making an HHO or Hydrogen car today (because it very possible) and I think it would be a great idea to network, markets, skills and ideas, that (but hopefully not) may one day be necessary. Can anyone say new currency? Maybe, maybe not, too bad the liberty dollar got shut down..
President Wilson once stated-"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
And this is still the same source of concentrated credit that today feeds our nation, and is our monetary policy. And so today I ask you, when is it enough? The usurpation of rights, of liberties, the destruction of we the people and the formation of a new class of serfs. When is the metaphorical line drawn in the sand? For I say to you, its been long more than I can bear. Take this to heart, and think carefully, for may have to live as you speak…
Lol, sorry, I just kinda started w that and it took away. But, ok, seriously I just wanna get peoples opinions on this, and kinda brain storm too, it got brought up in an earlier discussion about farmers markets and stuff, and me and Hez (and actually there’s a discussion on this too) were talking about making an HHO or Hydrogen car today (because it very possible) and I think it would be a great idea to network, markets, skills and ideas, that (but hopefully not) may one day be necessary. Can anyone say new currency? Maybe, maybe not, too bad the liberty dollar got shut down..
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Permalink Reply by BRIAN on -
The internet is a great tool for exchanging ideas and organizing events with fellow patriotic Americans. It will be the first thing to go when any kind of revolution begins. Right now someone in Wyoming can organize an event with someone in Connectcuit. On a very accurate time schedule too. The powers that be do not like this at all. How do people organize across the country when the internet is no longer free?
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Permalink Reply by Aegius on -
I studied this kind of grassroots economy idea in one of my history classes. The only solution, which someone else pointed out in one of the other discussions, would be to keep things local. Buy locally, from farmers, from small business shopowners, etc, etc. Things that don't feed into the pockets of "the man."
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Permalink Reply by Giacona on -
Hold on to that hydrogen car idea. I have a better plan.
Localized economies would be the most liberating thing American could do. Firstly, it would save us an ungodly amount of gasoline because our foods and goods wouldn't have to be shipped from the breadbasket or industrial centers to suburbia. If we found a way to break down our economy and build it up new again, we could both small-scale industrialize and make agrarian out of our economy.
Secondly, it would free us from the already explained oligarchy by localizing economies and putting the overall whole of the American economy (a collection of smaller local economies) into the hands of many. That's democracy, foo ;D
Thirdly, it would also free us from another centralized foe: government. The spread and localization of economies would inevitably be followed by the spread and localization of government as the federal government loses its grasp and local governments gain jurisdiction. Furthermore, that would entail a greater empowerment and responsibility of people as they realize they have to get active inside their governments. Localized governments are much more tangible than federal ones, who always seem to have more time for tax bills and corporate fundraisers than paying attention to a canker outbreak in the orange groves of Florida. A local government enables people to literally march to their house of government and speak with their leaders.
Decentralization is democracy.
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Permalink Reply by Traveling Zach on -
exactly, i guess the question marks are deceiving, cause i'm not asking IF, but WHEN. When is it that we finally give up and make local growth our ONLY goal. I personally think we should be supporting these markets today, so if you're not, you're behind. But i just don't wanna talk about the idea, lets talk logistics.
Here's how i personally think it would work the best. First we just need to network our local businesses, how or whatever thats might look like, and still just keep it on the dollar basis. Then once relationships are established, you just kinda phase in the idea of barter trade to get your businesses used to staying away from the dollar. I do think that we need to also get people used to the idea of excepting gold and silver, though officially you can't make currency, and any attempts have been shut down. But i also don't think it would be a big deal to trade gold and silver bullion, everyone would just need to buy a scale.
Another good idea for something we could set up (thanks to a little King of the Hill inspiration) is a local co-op. Not the most recent model that you see around that amount to a little more than a feed store and a gas station. Imagine this, you set up a grocery store i which only members can buy from. But instead of paying dues or anything it would be ten times more efficient at keeping costs down and returning profits to the locals by making the terms of membership a barter one. Say each member must volunteer 10 hours a week at the co-op in some fashion. There you would have pretty much an all volunteer work force and by doing that you keep over head low and profits for farms and such high..
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Permalink Reply by Reignboblu on -
I think that's already starting in some communities, in particular I'm thinking of the mill towns on the east coast and in new england in particular.
and how are they doing it? artists communities, almost every single one. Progressive minds coming together and saying this is our city, our town and this is what we want it to be and making it happen. Investing on locally owned. Locally staffed businesses that work towards bettering the area around them. Not corporate giants with faceless office warehouses and outsourced jobs.
That co-op is a great idea, but you'd have to BUY a farm to do that or enough land and the permits to go with it to farm somewhere else. A running farm would be pretty reluctant to just loose profit in a day and age where it's hard enough to keep your head above water.
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Permalink Reply by Teal (Josh) on -
the issue I see with all these ideas is taxes. If you are trying to change to a bartering system people have to find other means of making money and paying the governments taxes, if you don't pay taxes you brake the law, and if you brake the law your town can legally go to jail or have your possesions confiscated.
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Permalink Reply by Giacona on
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I would love to organize some sort of coop or union with the local farmers in my area. I live in central Florida, an area that was once completely agrarian but now being phased out into a sprawling suburbia. I think creating local farmers unions and negotiating with local grocery stores and distributors to buy more local, that would work swimmingly. However, no one will take me serious. It's difficult for me to go around toting my knowledge of economics at 15 years old...
Great idea. Bad implementation
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Permalink Reply by bnt4 on -
I really love this post. I swing a hammer for a living and live in a area of NJ that is a farming area and have done work for beef,venison, pork and for community.
we do our own gardening and since composting we have cut back on garbage.
I have looked into
http://algaeforbiofuels.com/ this makes sense and use's everything and can bring in income or add sustainability to oneself. Getting a Algae plant is very doable as long as you can get a consistent amount of waste to process and from most farmers I talk with thats not a problem.
The next thing after land is getting to use hemp for textile products.
Just thought that my wife and I have we hope one day soon to be make this more than thought. My wife is also a bio chemist so that has its advantages for sustainability we need all walks of life to make thoughts a reality
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Permalink Reply by Thomas on -
Hellll yea. I love all these plans. Now go read Noam Chomsky talking about "Libertarian Socialism" or "Anarcho-Syndicalism."!!! Peace.
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Permalink Reply by jfiles on -
It is so encouraging to see people coming together in a way where ideas can be discussed and hashed out. I feel strongly that building our self sufficient abilities is the way to go. With waste management such as composting, farming, learning how to DIY will take away the need to pay for that middle man. What is needed is a way for people to have access all this information. Not sure if you have ever seen the movie Accepted? The concept is simple....college age kids rejected from colleges of their choice, decide to band together in a co-op situation which allows them to study the subjects that they are interested in. In exchange they teach others what they know. If we could offer local community co-ops for people looking to become self sufficient. In exchange for the lessons the students could offer to teach a class or two based on skills they have, or they could reciprocate a percentage of foodstuffs or products created. This would virtually eliminate our dependence on large corporations or even the central banking system over the course of a decade. It would put the accountability and knowledge into the hands of all citizens instead of the lessening few. It would also provide a chance for people to work less and gain indipendance from BIG BUSINESS. Let me know what you think?
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Permalink Reply by jfiles on
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This is true but with the way the economy is going.....it might be the best way for people in all areas to fend for themselves while staying connected to eachother. :o)
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